Andy Mason (00:01.616)
Hey, welcome. Can actually, what is that? Here we go.
Andy Mason (00:12.036)
Is the power of God for ministers and missionaries, or actually for everybody? Well, that's what we want to unpack today. Welcome to the conversation. I'm Andy Mason. This is the Heaven and Business Podcast, where we help you navigate the messy intersection of faith, family, and business. And I got the joy of having with me Will Hart, who is the CEO of Iris Global. I mean, they've got missionaries in, I think it's like 400 plus
missionaries and 80 bases across 40 countries all over the world. And he's got this wild journey and testimony and story. But what you're going to get from this is what I love about him the most is not just what he's done from Congo to Africa to other parts of Africa to Europe to all over the place. And seeing wild things, it's not just that, but it's actually equipping you and I to do the same.
So we're just going to dive right in and I trust this is going to light you up. And Will's going to be at the Dallas conference coming up at the end of August. So I invite you to check that out. We'll tell you more about that later. So Will, firstly, thanks for joining me.
Will Hart (01:23.064)
Hey Andy. Thanks for having me on, man. It's a privilege. Yeah.
Andy Mason (01:25.2)
This is cool. This is cool. So firstly give us give us a snapshot. I mean, for people that have never heard of you before, I know you travel and speak and do a bunch of different stuff. Give us a snapshot of how did you get to be doing what you are today and what is it? What do you even do? What does that look like? What is Iris?
Will Hart (01:44.258)
Wow. Well, it's an honor to be here. And thank you guys all for watching. I don't expect anyone to know who I am. it's weird that people would introduce me that way. But yes, I've done a lot of travel, I've been in a lot of places. Long story short, Andy, is 17, had an encounter with the Lord, was a drug addict and hated my life, suicidal. moved to Paraguay in obedience to the call. Like I have to give this away. I received something.
Gotta go and do something with it. And that took me on a journey to all over Paraguay and then later on to Pennsylvania, traveling with an amazing man named Dr. Randy Clark, where I where I met Dr Dr. Heidi and Rollin Baker. Got married, served those guys. I'm giving you a really I'm giving you a lot in a lot in a small amount of time, but yeah, moved to Mozambique, was a part of the move of God there, the revival that's taking place there.
Andy Mason (02:32.336)
That's okay.
Will Hart (02:41.643)
Went back into the itinerate world after three years. And yeah, just just in obedience to what the Lord was putting in front of me in that season. And it was about eight years later that Heidi and Rollin reached back out to and said, Hey, you're one of the only sons we know that we feel like we can pass Iris off to in the future. we want you to step in as CEO. So for the last ten years, which is actually how we originally met, was when I was living
in Reading and now Tennessee, being CEO for Iris Global, which which means this I get to serve servants all around the world that are giving their lives away for the sake of the gospel. Yeah.
Andy Mason (03:25.2)
That that's it. You're married. How many kids?
Will Hart (03:28.589)
I got three, nineteen, almost twenty, eighteen, almost nineteen, and a thirteen year old. Yeah.
Andy Mason (03:34.237)
Cool. So I I want to dive into where we're going, but before we do that, one of the marks of your life is the supernatural, is the miraculous. Tell us, and I'm thinking of that story in Rwanda, or is it Congo? Tell us one of the stories that whatever you think of that just gives us a benchmark of some of the crazy things that you get to see.
And for people that are listening, if you're not aware, Iris in Mozambique, how many missionaries have been killed in the last s twelve months?
Will Hart (04:10.465)
Yeah. so missionaries like most people think when they think missionary, they think like white person that leaves their nation, goes to another land. we haven't lost any missionaries per se, but we have lost I actually don't know the full numbers. I can say almost in the last year, year and a half, I think the numbers I'm hearing are on three hundred of our pastors, who are a part of our team. It's it's no different than any of the missionaries that we sent. We've lost about three hundred.
And many churches burnt to the ground by radicals, radical Islamic Islamists in northern Mozambique. Yeah.
Andy Mason (04:50.15)
So you business people listening to this thinking, yeah, some don't switch off. This is gritty. This is real. This is this may not be a balance sheet, black, white. This is lives lost. So this is real. And and you've got that reality that you're navigating and wrestling all the time. So tell us, tell us one of your favorite stories of what you've seen God do.
Will Hart (05:03.063)
Yeah. Yeah.
Will Hart (05:15.245)
God, Andy, like that's that's a the low that's a loaded question. I mean, first of all, and I used to not lead with this. I used to tell the miracles. but the greatest miracle that we've witnessed are the what, five thousand churches planted in northern Mozambique and and the unreached, right? The Makua, the Makandi, the Mwani, the Mao, coming to the Lord at a breakneck pace. And that has continued on.
In the midst of radical persecution. I could tell you miracle stories, but that is miraculous. And in there we get to hear some of the craziest stories. So our hearts are big enough to hold both suffering and and joy, right? God created us. So, you know, like I can go back and forth because God's big enough, right? So in the midst of great persecution and weeping and sorrow.
We get to see God also move. I've never seen Mozambicans more hungry for the Word of God. I've never seen just the gospel there just going out at a breakneck pace. I was there two weeks ago, three weeks ago, something like that. And thousands, thousands of students in our schools worshiping, eight hundred students in our university worshiping. These are all really from an unreached place. And so in the midst of persecution.
We're seeing the church arise. We're seeing the gospel go out. And honestly, like, no joke, Andy, and I'm not even trying to be spiritual. That is the goal. Like that is the that is the pearl of great price, bringing Christ to those who do not know him. So I'll stick with that. If you want to hear some miracle stories, we can tell you more later. But yeah.
Andy Mason (06:57.986)
Good. Yeah, we can stick on. We'll come back to that. But I just thank you for highlighting that. Really, that's and and they give their lives to Jesus. It's you could die the next day. It's real, it's it's gritty. Let's shift to the the business people that are listening to this. Most business people have relegated themselves. They think their role is primarily funding ministry or funding the kingdom rather than bringing or
Will Hart (07:04.93)
Yeah.
Andy Mason (07:27.078)
demonstrating the kingdom. What would you say to that? Do I have to be a missionary or a minister to demonstrate the kingdom? Or is there more for a Christian business leader?
Will Hart (07:38.39)
I I would challenge you a little bit, and you're probably right, but my perspective is more the church has relegated business people, not business people pulling themselves out. And and I don't think there's been some campaign like we're gonna we're gonna keep our business people quiet, but because church history dictates that that was not the case in the early church. In fact, a lot of the gospel advanced because of businessmen, businesswomen that carried the gospel.
you know Lydia in the scriptures is a beautiful example of someone who who was a wealthy businesswoman, probably single, most scholars believe. And she was out there doing it and advancing the gospel. But yeah, so I would say the church has has has probably not helped. We've we've we like people in categories, right?
So, like you're a missionary, you go here, you do this, right? You're a you're a business person, you go here, do this. Make sure you tithe, be a part of this group in our church, or if you're really successful, come on the board, you know, and I really want to hear what you have to say when they don't. so yeah, I think I I think the church, and I and and maybe if I could go even bigger picture, it's more like human nature, right? but but no, of all all people are called to
Andy Mason (08:46.629)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will Hart (09:03.309)
Freely receive from the Lord and freely give it away. There is no barrier. In fact, I would say some of the greatest business people I know are some of the best evangelists and move in miracles, signs, and wonders. I was just, ooh, I I don't want to go too long, but I was just with the underground church in China, and they left China to go to another nation. I won't name the one. and we had about 300 church leaders. What blew me away, Andy.
You'll probably like this, is most of them were multi millionaires.
Andy Mason (09:37.414)
Wow.
Will Hart (09:40.919)
Yep. And they and they have built businesses. and in that, because of their wealth, because of their influence, they've been able to like skirt around a lot of that, you know. So they use their place of business to do meetings. It's it's it's pretty it's pretty amazing. Yeah.
Andy Mason (09:58.737)
I I I so agree. It's such a vehicle. So what I'm hearing you say, and for the business person listening right now, do not limit yourself and say, I I'm a business person, it's not my responsibility. That's the ministers, that's the evangelists, that's the no, no, no, no, no. So everybody is called to carry and demonstrate if you are a follower of Jesus. What would you say? Well, you can't you can't hold yourself back on that one.
Will Hart (10:26.109)
That narrative is is literally just lazy people being lazy. Like, listen, Andy, if someone's looking to get out of like the call of the gospel, they're gonna find it. They'll blame business, they'll blame pastors, they'll blame whatever. But but I think it's it's easy for me to sit here and say the church has dictated that. It's easy for me to sit here and say, like, you know, missionaries or ministers have said stay, stay quiet or do your role. But at the end of the day, dude, like people don't wanna do it.
Andy Mason (10:29.455)
Yeah.
Will Hart (10:54.207)
And so they use those excuses to hold back. But man, like I'm telling you, man, I some of my favorite people are not like the missionaries and evangelists. They're business people and they're doing it. They're doing the stuff.
Andy Mason (11:07.078)
So, so what's the difference in terms of does the and we're leveraging and staying on this, just to try and drive home a point. Is there a difference of access to union connection with God for a minister or a missionary than there is for someone in the marketplace?
Will Hart (11:27.063)
No, no, but the missionary, the minister is held to a higher standard. So I'd say it's even easier for a business person, right? Because we're out there preaching and teaching. So we we actually there is a calling and a higher standard. The Bible's very clear. So I actually think there's a grace and an ease. Yeah. There's a grace and an ease for those who don't maintain that role but yet are going out and evangelizing and using the platform that God's given them to bring the kingdom.
Andy Mason (11:42.33)
Yeah. If you're a teacher. Yeah. Yeah.
Will Hart (11:54.936)
So I I think it's I think it's actually like you guys are getting the the better side of this. I'm gonna stand in front of the king and be held accountable. different than people watching this will be.
Andy Mason (12:05.594)
Yeah, so don't h hide behind your role. Kingdom is everything. So when we're talking about kingdom demonstration, for a business person, what does that even look like?
Will Hart (12:08.055)
Yeah. Yep.
Will Hart (12:16.429)
Can I give you example from somebody that I know? Because I, you know, and I have so many examples. my good friend Dave Wagner, David Wagner, he's frog tape. He invented frog tape. So he invented non-bleeding painter's tape. Brilliant man. He's an inventor, started the business. He literally invented the whole category. It was stolen from three him, stole it from him, wrapped him up in litigation. It's all it's a horrible story. every time I get around him,
And I see him at least once a year. We go hunting. I bring my my father, my son, we go hunting every year with him. And he is the most humble, he is the most lover like lover of Jesus. He he just sits around the table and tells miracle stories all day long. Like when my son, who really knows me, right? My he's 19, I I will never forget when we left his house one year. He's like, Dad Dave, like.
Why isn't he a minister? Because he exuded he was like, he's more on fire than you are, Dad. And honestly, like I was confronted with that. And and so that's that's one. Richard Holcomb. Most people will never know that name. Do you know Richard, Andy? do you know Joanne Moody? Okay. So Joanne Moody was prayed for by Richard Holcomb. Okay.
Andy Mason (13:20.644)
Yeah.
Andy Mason (13:31.557)
Sure.
Yes.
Andy Mason (13:39.317)
I heard the stor I saw an i that's his name. Okay.
Will Hart (13:42.892)
Yes. And if you even rewind to nineteen ninety-four, Richard, businessman, Texas kind of land guy, he buys and sells. he'll buy like a big plot of land, divide it up, and give like blue collar, you know, people their their their like small ten acre, twenty acre hunting track in Texas. And awesome guy's been doing this his whole life. And he met Randy.
As when he was a pastor in St. Louis, just felt connected to him like, I'm gonna run with you. Randy goes up to Toronto to preach, cause his friend hears that God's moving. And Randy's really nervous because he's never gone to another church to to cry out for the miraculous. So he's in the hotel, he brings some people from his church, because if God doesn't show up, he can blame everybody, like not just him. And he gets a phone call from Richard.
in those in his hotel and Richard goes, Test me now. Yeah, this this land guy from Texas. Test me now. Test me now. Test me now. Don't take your eyes off me. When you take your eyes off me, you make it about you. test me now. Test me now. Test me now. Randy. Yep.
Andy Mason (14:53.83)
So he was prophesying like he was saying, Here's what God's told me to tell you.
Will Hart (14:58.103)
Yep. Yeah. Randy still to this day says if it wasn't for that word, he wouldn't have had the boldness to stand up in Toronto, where, in my personal opinion, probably one the most influential moves of God in the last hundred years, if not more, has taken place. I mean, you're touched by it. I I would bet that most anybody that knows the Lord that's listening this has been impacted by the fruit of what God did in Toronto. so so this is a this is a big deal.
And that that wasn't just a revivalist, that was a businessman obedient to what the Lord was telling him and and running after, running after God in obedience.
Andy Mason (15:37.873)
And I love it. For those that are not aware, Joanne Moody was debilitated for 15, about 15 years, like just crazy pain, crazy debilitation. And a business guy, and this this is the name of the guy, walks up to her at the end of a three-day conference, felt like he saw somebody wearing that t-shirt, prays for her, and instantly, like debilitating pain, gone, like instant.
Will Hart (15:53.623)
Same guy.
Andy Mason (16:07.034)
and you can see the clip online. So it's a business guy. And now Joe Moody's running around all over the world, training, equipping, and deploying people in the miraculous. And the business guy is still the business guy. I've got guys I know all over the same. one guy I was with talking to this morning, he heard the Lord tell him in 1974 to spend an hour and a half a day in the Word, and he's done it since every single day.
unbelievable. When this guy does a Bible study, you feel like you're talking like the presence of God is so strong. And he tells testimonies of new employees walking into his job, just inviting them, telling me about you, what's going on. And next thing they start coughing. They and they what's going on? I can't stop coughing. They get delivered. Just the presence of God. Why? A business person. That one I just got to meet.
The business Bible CEO. If people don't know that that the business Bible is NASB, it's annotated for business. Excellent resource. And he's a like he's on his third set of teeth. He's a hockey player. He's like a Wall Street guy. But even from a young age, as a business guy, he just knew the word of God. So yeah, there's no excuse. Don't relegate us. Don't limit us. So that leads us to the next question, then. Well, what what are some of the barriers or blockages?
That stop everyday people walking in the miraculous.
Will Hart (17:38.318)
I mean it it's a lot of things, Andy. first of all, I I I think there's a lot of fear of man, right? So in in a lot of the business people that I see where I look at them like, man, you guys are really going after the Lord. And l I I wanna be careful because I don't like using the term business people because the reality is ninety something five, eight percent of people in a church all have business of some sort, right? Either they're working for someone, right.
Andy Mason (18:05.232)
I I have a job. working. Yep.
Will Hart (18:07.669)
Right. So so w it's like we're saying business people, but the reality is they are y'all are the lion's share of what's taking place. So just statistically, to put it on the shoulders of a minister is crazy. No, it's the body of Christ. Right. It is, it is. But whatever. We're all we're all we're all there. And so so I would say this. fear of man
Andy Mason (18:21.638)
Yeah. It's just stupid. It's just stupid.
Will Hart (18:35.325)
Is is at the core of a lot of the reason why people don't go, don't move. Like fear of man, fear of failure, fear of finance, fear, right? And there's a mutual friend of ours, Andy, that's that made this statement what stuck it stuck with me forever. And he says this fear is faith in Satan. Fear elevates the lie, right? And we're not called to to cower in fear. And and this is the crazy part. I live in the missions world.
Where I'm getting people that are like, I want to give my life away, I want to lay my life down. But they've never built I don't want to say never, for the most part, they haven't built something, right? And so the so they're they're getting saved, they're being discipled, and they're like, We're gonna go, but they, you know, they're out of high school, they're out of college. You the the the business people actually know what that risk is, right? They've they've they've risked, they've they've put it all on the line, they've
Andy Mason (19:25.763)
Clueless.
Will Hart (19:34.669)
you know, mortgage their house or, you know, taking loans out. Like like the thing is you guys have it. They have it. It's it's innate inside of them. They just need to cross that bridge that that that divides the thing of our heart that says, this is for God and this is for my family and to the Lord and like whatever He chooses to bless. Right. Like it it is all the same.
Andy Mason (19:55.483)
Yeah, so stop yeah, stop compartmentalizing. Stop limiting yourself or limiting God. What he wants to do you do through you is so much more than you realize. So just just jump to this. I I wasn't thinking about this, but one of the things is people don't know what they don't know until they experience something different. When you realize God's speaking you, his he's you're hearing his voice, you didn't realize it before. When you see him do miracles through you, you're like, my gosh.
Will Hart (19:59.651)
Yeah.
Andy Mason (20:23.96)
It's real, which is what the disciples did. They come back to Jesus. my gosh, it works. It really works. Can can anybody come on a trip with I know there's plenty of people come on trips with you, Will. Can anybody go on a trip and experience and see this and then do this themselves?
Will Hart (20:42.797)
100%. A hundred percent. It's i it's not complicated. So what's the this you're talking about, right? Is the this moving the things of God? Is the this miracles, signs, and wonders? Is that is that the this that you're talking about?
Andy Mason (20:55.002)
I I think it's both and I think there's two aspects of this that I want to nail. Is is one, people don't realize that every gift you've got is gift from God. And the gift that the Spirit of God comes on a person, Ephesians five, being filled with the spirit, it doesn't say and they had a charismatic experience and shook on the ground and then went and did miracles. It literally says, and then they walked around with psalms and hings and sim hymns and spiritual songs.
They submitted to one another. They were better husbands, fathers, leaders. Throughout the Bible, Joshua was a better leader because of the Spirit of God. Solomon had wisdom because of the Spirit of God. Bezalel built because of the Spirit of God. So don't think that the Spirit of God is about some weird thing that you do in a healing meeting. This is literally every single day. And and there are miracles.
There is a healing power of God that I think is for everybody. There is the supernatural and seeing that. And there's something about one, I want to see that in every single business, in every single city, across every nation. Period. And there's something about getting activated by just stepping across, we might say a chicken line, and just getting beyond your comfort zone of where you think what is normal, which is not normal.
And saying, okay, Will, I'm gonna come with you on a trip to wherever. It could be anywhere, it could be to a prison, it could be to a palace, it could be to Mozambique. And I just know they'll be exposed with something. And and I know, I know people that have been on trips with you and come back and now they can't stop going because they experience something. But if I just go on a trip with Will wherever and I see the miraculous and I see an eye opened or an ear opened, and I realize, my gosh, it's for today.
And I don't then bring that back and activate that wherever I am at Starbucks, at Duncan, in my c commercial cleaning business, whatever it may be, then I've just wasted an entire trip. So first question is, can anybody come on a trip with you?
Will Hart (23:02.561)
Well, I I I don't really offer trips. Every so often I do, but yes, I mean, for the most part, yes. And if it's not me, there's a bunch of places that we can point you to. so yes, there are opportunities out. I would say like Randy Clark, Global Awakening. I would encourage anyone to do one of those trips. People can visit any of our bases. And I would encourage all business guys, like I really would. Men, businessmen, businesswomen, go visit a base. Go serve the poor for a little bit.
Andy Mason (23:16.944)
Yeah, global awakening. Yeah.
Will Hart (23:32.594)
it puts everything back in perspective. I've never brought a business person to the poorest of the poor, and they haven't left like touched deeply. Yeah. Yeah. And and it's good. We have to remember the poor and we have to remember why we are being blessed. Yes, it's for our local church. I believe that, but it's also to serve. And the beautiful thing is, I have this phrase in the missions world. It's called. We get a lot of missionaries that are called.
Andy Mason (23:43.078)
Just exactly. Yep.
Will Hart (24:01.016)
But very few are qualified. And what I love about people that have built something, businessmen, businesswomen, people that is they've they've actually gained a qualification. So you actually have something to give them. It's not just receive, like there are people out there. I I connect our missionaries with business people all the time. Like just learn, ask questions, you know, take advice, bring them on your boards. They they need it. So it's it's it's not just like I can go and receive, yes.
But you also have something to give. And I think a lot of like a lot of people get stuck because they're just giving to their family, they're just giving to their team, right? Their staff. And I understand that. I we have a lot of staff, but it's good to just be rem reminded of why we do what we do. And there's nothing like serving the poor, getting around the poor, the sick, the needy, and the broken that really puts everything back in perspective. And can I just throw this one little thing in, Andy? For those who are successful.
And you're about to pass it off to a generation that's never experienced poverty, maybe like where you came from nothing. I'm telling you, you can bring in consultants, you can bring in, you know, classes and life coaches. But put your kids and bring them, connect them to the poor, right? Develop that desire and that appreciation for what they do have. I work with a lot of people that that are passing wealth off to the next generation. And
And the one piece of advice that I give them is this like, don't forget the poor, right? True religion, religion that's faultless and pure is tending to the orphan and the widow and looking after them in their distress. And so make sure that you raise your k kids up. So don't just go yourself, take your kids and serve the poor. And you can visit any one of our bases around the world if they'll have you. Just email them.
Andy Mason (25:48.187)
Yeah. And and don't think you have to actually leave the city where you live to find poor people. Every single city has a well, the ones that I know of have a mission. Just go, go to the soup kitchen and offer to serve. You'll be blown away by what happens. And they are doing such a great job. It's pretty cool. Let's come back to Well in terms of if we are training and activating business people in don't just
Will Hart (26:06.455)
Yeah. Yeah.
Andy Mason (26:15.814)
Fund the kingdom, actually demonstrate the kingdom. There's some keys in recognizing, okay, the spirit of God on me, God's doing stuff. How do I go from I'm just doing my work to the Holy Spirit is doing something and moving? And I recognize that. And I what do I even do? So go back to you.
The first time that you saw God move through you, what was did you have to what what's your part? What's God's part? And how do I partner together in that? And obviously we may be talking more with you about healing miracles. That's okay. I don't care. We can translate that. We'll come to conference, we'll train you how to do that. But here, this is someone that moves in this clearly, and we're gonna translate that ourselves.
Will Hart (27:06.421)
Andy, you know, there's some core, there's some core things that I think are in the life of every believer, right? obedience. Right. Now we we we are obedient because we get the word in us, but we also need to be obedient to his voice, right? if you look at it, Moses, right, he didn't have the Torah.
Will Hart (27:38.35)
So he was listening to the voice of the creator. That hasn't changed today. Right. So, like in early, in the early scriptures, they didn't have the Torah, but they were obedient to the voice of the spirit. the burning bush, the Bible says that he was curious, right? He stayed curious. He could have walked by, but he said, that that catches my eye. And I think a lot of people they lose that childlike curiosity.
Andy Mason (27:59.431)
Really good.
Will Hart (28:07.743)
Especially when you hit a place of success, right? Because you've you've built something, there's consistency, everything's safe. But but the Lord never calls us to safety. He calls us to wisdom, he calls us to be prudent, he calls us to be wise, you know, and kind, but he doesn't call us to be safe. I'll I'll you some scripture for it. Therefore, I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you eat, what you drink, what you wear.
or your bodies. you know, is not life more important than clothes, clothes more important than food? Look at the birds of the air. They do not sow or reap or store away in barns. Yet your heavenly father feeds them. And how much more valuable, how much more valuable are you than they? So therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, for the pagans run after these things, right? But seek first the kingdom of God and righteousness. All these things will be gathered unto you. Fear
About losing it, I think keeps people right. They're like, they don't want to risk it. And I would ask anyone there, do you remember that spark, right? Sorry about that. When when you were building something, you got an idea, the Lord gave you an idea, you got married, you're like, we want to do something for God. And it's like, we're gonna take risks. Like right now, Andy. I'm I'm building out a business with my daughter. Okay. like right now, right before I hopped on this where I was, I was there siliconing up this silly coffee.
Bus thing that we're building out. And like I get in there with her and she's like, she's willing to do anything. She just drove to like Memphis and picked up some piece of equipment from some creepy auction place, you know, in the middle of nowhere, you know. And she's like, I'll go anywhere because I have this dream that I believe is from God to build. It's the same thing. Like, it's like, I want more. There has to be more. I know I know I'm going long, but let me just share one other thing.
Andy Mason (29:57.104)
That's so good.
Will Hart (30:03.789)
Chris Baumgartner. I would encourage all of you if you watch the Blurry Creatures episode or the Iris Global Green Room podcast with Chris Baumgartner. He was a former manager of a Boston pharmaceutical company. Extremely wealthy. One, two, skip a few, gets hungry for God. He's like a Baptist boy. Gets prayer from a pastor, and the Lord pours out the gift of tongues over him.
He has no idea what he's doing.
Andy Mason (30:33.606)
Which which he doesn't believe in. He was taught against probably and suddenly what am I gonna do with it?
Will Hart (30:38.199)
Has no idea. Yeah. He just got hungry. He was like, I want to do more. The yeah.
Andy Mason (30:41.872)
Yes. So hunger, curiosity. Hunger and curiosity and follow that curiosity.
Will Hart (30:47.157)
Yeah. And staying childlike, keeping that zeal of like, I don't have all the answers. And yeah, I might have built something, but even that doesn't s fulfill and that doesn't sustain. I have to have more. John seven thirty seven, the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood up and cried out in a loud voice, All who are thirsty, come and drink, staying thirsty, staying hungry. So Chris, he gets tongues, he's like, I don't know what this is. He reads in the Bible, they can be interpreted.
So he just s records them, sends them off to an online translator, comes back fluent Hebrew. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it and been walking in with him for the last two years. I've watched this man.
Andy Mason (31:24.828)
Mm-hmm.
Will Hart (31:31.918)
Go from like one of the most kind of like successful businessmen, like in a place of status and stature, go so low, so humble, and just he, I watched him, I can't, I have to be very careful about what I say, but I watched him choose obedience over like being set up for life from opportunity that he would have jumped at years prior. He was like, God's touch, I sat there with him and his wife.
And like tears coming down his eyes, he's like, I feel alive. I feel like God's using me. I don't want to go back to that. All I want is to be used by him. And now he's doing he's working, he's doing business here. and a day doesn't go by where I don't get a phone call from him. God did this today, this connection. And we have it is open up the craziest doors. Government, leaders, like it's just open up the craziest doors. So it's not one or the other, but stay hungry, keep childlike. And
And realize that you need more, right? You need more in your life.
Andy Mason (32:34.384)
Yeah. Yeah. And and the so I love that. So clarifying hunger. And if you don't have hunger, I mean part part of our job is to provoke you, the testimonies that are happening all around you that your kids are walking in and we'll walk in. That's that's hunger, childlike, which is the humility to know I don't actually have all the answers. I am still learning. And then this curiosity when you see God move.
that hunger, that drive, but the curiosity is what's what's going on? Follow those questions. So Will if there's someone listening today and they like, okay, how what's the first step? I I I want to see God do more. I want my eyes to be open, my heart to be open more. I've just got into a rut of just turning up at work and doing the job and go home and punch my church card, I punch my work card. I'm just cruising. What would be like what's a practical step?
to cross the line.
Will Hart (33:36.663)
I would say stop lying. Stop lying to yourself. Stop lying to God.
If if they actually want more, right? I think a lot of us get in front of the Lord and we lie to Him. We sing worship, Lord, I'll go anywhere. Here I am, Lord, here I am to worship, right? But in the in our heart of hearts, we might desire that, but we're actually not there. So I would say be honest with God. The Bible says truth will set you free. So, so listen, I know that it's talking about this, the the truth.
Be honest with God. When was the last time you like just got in front of him, not asking him for something, but saying, like, God, I'm not hungry? Or I've like, I've I've become settled, or I've I've reached a place of comfort and I don't want to be uncomfortable anymore. But Lord, I hear you calling me. Make me uncomfortable. I think that's one thing. Be honest. The second thing is get around people who are who are doing it, right? Like I can't, I I've been in ministry 25 years.
I'm encouraged when I get around you, Andy. When I get around my buddy Chris, who's who, you know, this Hebrew tongue, like I'm sitting there, I'm like, I wish I had that. And and this is just fresh. So get around people. Randy Clark, I think Randy, I think it was Randy that said this. Like, if you want to get wet, get under the spigot, right? If you wanna, Bill said this. If you want to be a giant slayer, you got to get around people that slay giants, and you got to get around giants, right? Like you actually have to put yourself
In the mix. So yeah, be honest and get around it. And let's say you don't have access to those two things, which you always have access to honesty. But let's say that, you know, you're struggling through that. ask. Bible's very clear. Ask and you'll receive, seek and you'll find, knock and the door will open unto you. And if you have a hard time hearing the Holy Spirit, then that's why God gave you your wife or your husband. Go. Some of the most dangerous conversations I've had.
Andy Mason (35:39.622)
He
Will Hart (35:44.886)
Are when it's just me and my wife and we go, like, okay, are you fulfilled? Am I fulfilled? Do you see me accomplishing everything that God has for me? If you could change anything, what would that be? You know, don't be scared to ask dangerous questions. And that's another thing that I love about business people is they're not relegated just to like in church, out of church, like.
They're they're not scared to ask hard questions. They've learned how to work with people. They've learned how to spot flaws and fix them along the way. So I just say just begin to apply some of the principles that you really are good at in your own life. And and stop just waiting for God. You know? Yeah.
Andy Mason (36:27.58)
Yeah, you and that that's why we're having this conversation. That's why we do what we do is it it's not just about believing whether God still does it, it's about believing that He will do it through you. that's what this is all about. And I love that. It's that simple thing of saying, God, I have no idea what this looks like. But I've been asking all the hard questions about the balance sheet, about the employee, about the project, about the delivery, about the quality assurance assessment.
Will Hart (36:39.245)
Yeah. Yeah.
Andy Mason (36:56.838)
What if I started to use that same gift and ask that about my spirituality? What if I said, God, I'm a here, I'm I'm a rock star when it comes to build the business, grow the business, scale the business. But I I'm I'm just a child when it comes to this area of my life that you want me to grow in. Help me, please. Bring people around me that would provoke me to believe something different. Go jump on the miracle stories of Joe Moody.
the the stories of Randy Clark and what's happening there. Just search. You will find them if you start looking. check out the Heaven and Business website. There's so much in there that you cannot stay the same because you'll be exposed to something different. Will, I know you're gonna be with us. yeah. Dive in.
Will Hart (37:42.989)
Can I can I throw in two seconds? This just to I just I feel this and I and I I could be wrong, but
Will Hart (37:55.372)
It's the book of Philemon. Paul is writing to a businessman. And Paul, most likely, Paul was being financially supported by this businessman, but his slave escapes and he comes back, and Paul, these are Lord disciples and
Paul writes a very harsh letter, very direct letter, very clear letter.
Andy Mason (38:22.564)
It's one one chapter is probably one of the shortest books.
Will Hart (38:26.455)
Yeah, it's a it's an incredible read. And as I've as a minister, as a pastor, as a as someone who loves the Lord, and and I live on the receiving end of people that are watching this, right? Like it's businessmen, businesswomen, families, churches that keep us afloat, keep us going around the globe. But as I read Philemon, I was struggling through like, God, would I ever feel like I could call out the wealthiest ones in my church? And I and I just wanna say this.
Make sure that you're not just being celebrated where you're at, but you're being challenged and your leaders are actually willing to challenge you. Because I bet if you have a call on your life and you're at a church where the leadership isn't like intimidated, or you haven't made yourself to that place, you're like, I'm the guy, I pay the bill, you know, and you've put yourself there, the telltale sign is are you being confronted?
And if you're not in a place where you're being confronted by people, then then you might stagnate. So I would just throw that one last piece there. Make sure you're a part.
Andy Mason (39:31.901)
Yeah. You're not might yeah, yeah, you will be. If you just and I put it this way, I've heard it said, you you don't you don't need a preacher, you need a pastor. And that may be that person on Sunday, but you must have someone in your life that will ask you the hard questions. Go searching for that. otherwise it's not just you might stagnate, you will stagnate, you will drift. And sadly I've
walk with far too many people that I love, that I trust, that I still believe in, that have just made dumb mistakes because for some reason we have not responded or not had somebody that will just hold the mirror up and say, Hey, I love you enough to tell you the truth.
Will Hart (40:18.081)
And you've kind of there's a lot of business people that have bought their way into that. They've bought their way into weak leaders who kowtow to their checkbook. So if you've set yourself up in that place, my guess is you're not being challenged.
Andy Mason (40:32.346)
Yeah. Gets it gets like wealth is the wall of your city, but the wise man knows how to scale the walls of the mighty and bring down their trusted stronghold. So I pray that for you that you'll have people around you that will be wise enough to climb over those barriers, jump in, look you in the face, and just say, I love you enough to tell you you've been stupid and you're living far less than what God's called you to. Will I mean gonna get you to pray for people in a moment? Just before we do, if if you listen to this.
Join us in August. Will is going to be with us with a bunch of others in Dallas. And we're going to do a whole lot more than this. One, Will's going to be praying for people. We're going to activate you to walk in this yourself. You'll hear a lot more stories, but also engage practically in hearing the voice for everyday business decisions. Understand that the grace of God on your life is the same grace, but looks different to the person on the Sunday in the pulpit.
And the person on the mission field, but come and see and you'll find out more on heaven and business dot com. Will, could you just pray some dangerous prayer and light everybody up who's listening?
Will Hart (41:42.796)
Yeah. Come on, Father, in the mighty name of Jesus, Lord. Even as I was talking about my buddy Chris, who just got hungry and asked, and Lord, you you set them up. Lord, you set him up. Lord, I ask, God, that there be holy, holy encounters with you, with your spirit, Lord. Would you dissolve pride? Would you dissolve arrogance, God, in all of our hearts, Lord? And would you make us humble and hungry?
Little children asking you to move in miracles, Lord, in our lives. Lord, I pray over each and every family, each and every household, Lord, that you would continue to pour out. And Lord, if there is anyone that has grown stagnant, if there's anyone that's felt used by the church, Lord, and and begin to just push away, Lord, I ask that you would meet them, God, where they are at. Lord, I ask you would draw near to them.
Holy Spirit, Spirit of the Living God, I asked you would fall afresh on them in Jesus' mighty, mighty, mighty name. Amen. Thanks, Andy.
Andy Mason (42:53.775)
Amen. Thanks, Will.
Will Hart (42:56.942)
Appreciate it.
