How to Hear God at Work (Interview with Rachel Ngom)

Recently, I had the privilege of joining Rachel Ngom on her podcast, She’s Making an Impact, for what turned out to be a deep, vulnerable, and practical conversation about business, identity, and how to hear God at work.

Rachel asked brilliant questions—the kind that pull out stories you hadn’t planned to share and truth that hits you afresh as you say it. What followed was one of the richest podcast conversations I’ve had in a while.

You can watch or listen to the full conversation here:
🎧 Listen Now on She’s Making an Impact Podcast

🔥 From Comfort to Calling

We began with the story of how my wife Janine and I left the comfort and community of New Zealand to follow a nudge from God to America. It sounded romantic—until we actually did it. What followed was a crash course in trust, identity, and learning how to walk with God when the systems and support you used to rely on are stripped away.

I thought I trusted God… until I had no paycheck, four kids to feed, and no idea what was next.

It turns out entrepreneurship is a brilliant test—and training ground—for identity. The cracks in my foundation showed up fast. And slowly, God started healing what I didn’t even know was broken.

📚 Tools That Helped Me Grow

During that journey, certain resources shaped me profoundly. I shared a few of them with Rachel:

Experiencing the Father’s Embrace by Jack Frost

Healing the Orphan Spirit by Leif Hetland

The Business of Honor by Bob Hasson

Relactional Leadership by Ford Taylor

Mastering the Rockefeller Habits by Verne Harnish

Each one played a role in building my heart, mindset, and leadership. They’ve become tools I recommend often to entrepreneurs walking their own growth path.

💼 The Start of Heaven in Business

Heaven in Business began, not with a grand plan, but with a question:

“How do we serve the business community around us with the presence and power of God?”

We didn’t wait for a title or budget—we just started. Coffee meetings. Conversations. Encouragement. Then small events. And eventually, what’s now a global movement of entrepreneurs learning to partner with God in their daily work.

Our “white-hot core”? 35–50-year-old Jesus-centered business leaders who are growing, building, and asking how to expand God’s Kingdom in the marketplace.

But we’re also being stretched:
– How do we serve the 25-year-old startup founder who just left corporate to build something new?
– How do we equip pastors who want to better disciple their business people?

The journey keeps expanding… and so does the invitation.

👂 Hearing God at Work

This was one of the most important parts of the conversation. Hearing God isn’t just a spiritual practice—it’s a leadership advantage.

I shared our book Listen Up: Hearing God at Work, and how we wrote it not as a theory manual but a field guide—full of real stories, real decisions, and real moments of silence when you still have to act.

“The primary purpose of hearing God’s voice isn’t instruction. It’s intimacy.”

Whether you’re making a hiring decision, facing a cashflow crisis, or moving cities—He still speaks. And often, the silence is an invitation to grow in trust.

🧭 Your Takeaways

Kingdom identity is foundational. Start with who you are before you ask what to do.

Bring the Kingdom into business—moral excellence, cultural excellence, spiritual authority.

Ask better questions. Instead of “God, what do I do?” ask “God, what do You want me to know?”

Don’t go it alone. Surround yourself with wise counsel—people with wrinkles and body scars.

Repentance is a growth accelerator. Own your mistakes early. Let them become testimony.

💥 Final Thought

At the end of the episode, Rachel asked me for one takeaway. Here's what I shared:

“It’s not about how much you accomplish. It's about connection. The One who accomplished the most warned us: ‘Apart from Me, you can do nothing.’ Keep friendship with God at the center, and everything else starts to align.”

You can connect with Rachel and listen to the full episode at RachelNgom.com.

And if this sparked something in you, check out:

👉 Listen Up: Hearing God at Work on Amazon
👉 Check out the Heaven in Business Community
👉 Support the HOPE Directive – bringing transformation to those who can’t afford it

Thanks again to Rachel for hosting such an impactful conversation. Let’s keep hearing God and bringing His presence to the marketplace—together.